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As I was perusing some threads on daobums, I noticed something that has been a source of mild irritation for me. I find so many over-thinking and overreacting to bad information that they probably have acquired from unreliable sources.

For instance, one person writes that his Dantien rose up to his heart and then escaped from his head! 

Or another writes how spinal breathing is better for kundalini than MCO....

Or how because one technique gives them a bigger “experienced bang” than another, it is better....

Seems like an addict chasing a high...

whatever happened to finding a teacher and actually dedicating time to practice? Mostly people seem to  want instant gratification...

What are some of your pet peeves? 

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It's not a pet peeve, but I certainly understand what you're saying.  I think it's something that a lot of folks have to go through - the proving of the existence of the supernatural by physical proofs.  So much to choose from, whether it be physical or more cerebral.  But the true journey still awaits.  It is a slog.  Yes, there are wonderful highs when things all come together for the moment and we can appreciate how beautiful life is.  Even when it's not....

But a slog it is.

There is something called The Promises that is usually read at each AA meeting.  "If you are fearless and thorough in working the steps, you will meet some of us as you trudge the road to happy destiny."  The happy destiny he refers to here is enlightenment (Bill Wilson, the founder).

I see a lot of myself in some of the younger ones.  I came in real cocky maybe 14 years ago - and the Bums gets to take full credit for filing down my rough edges.

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Instant gratification, usually empty or comes with a hidden price.

 

My pet peeve is My Way is Best-itis', taken to the level of constant trolling.  We all love our various paths, most go through a mad crush period for'em, but too much creates backlash.  An even worse variety is My Way is Best, all other suck. 

 

 

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I see chronic hypnosis in daily life.  Whatever manages to pierce it is usually craved.  It was for me.

I recall a third eye experience while walking through a mall near christmas one year, when I could see the filters people project from within their sleeping state and how they overlayed everything perceived.  It was like seeing the dust covering citta, only the dust wasn't dust, in my vision is was like a cylinder around folks, a screen of projection that overlayed anything perceived with personal projection.  If I didn't pass into that cylinder, I remained invisilbe to them.  If I did pierce the cylinder, they would react to me... but not to me personally, they would react to the filter that overlayed, or projected onto me like a film projector.

I lived in hypnosis and trance for decades myself and looking back, it took quite a jolt to cut through it.  Many of my former pursuits were eventually revealed not to bring awakening but to further fuel greater trance.  When awakening began, only then did I begin to sense the depth of my former sleep.

Thankfully, waves rise to the point they can no longer sustain themselves, so with enough time spent in hypnosis, sleeping in a walking trance, I seem to have reached a saturation point and perhaps this was the catalyst to awaken (in spite of the desire to continue that coccoon of dampening trancelike hypnotic wading through life).

I think those peak experiences early on, are craved and interpreted as progress as they pierce the perpetual trance hypnosis palpably and that is a possible reason folks feel those are the only experiences that bring progress.

 

Time will tell.  Keep walking a path and it will eventually reveal source, even if that is at the point of death.

 

As to the Sheriff mentality... I'm over it.  Self appointed Sheriffs policing threads, jumping on newbies and telling them what and how to practice.  Crapping on anything unfamiliar, or non-lineage... browbeating and fear mongering exploration.  I get they operate, thinking they are protecting folks, but it feels more like they are assuaging their own fears and projecting them and then fighting their own projections by berating folks.

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Posted by: @silent_thunder

As to the Sheriff mentality... I'm over it.  Self appointed Sheriffs policing threads, jumping on newbies and telling them what and how to practice.  Crapping on anything unfamiliar, or non-lineage... browbeating and fear mongering exploration.  I get they operate, thinking they are protecting folks, but it feels more like they are assuaging their own fears and projecting them and then fighting their own projections by berating folks.

Are you saying I have to stop browbeating and fear mongering?

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@manitou

Sages dole out discipline from the center, without making it personal.

You have my unflinching admiration in how you deal with conflict.

Some folks I wish would Sheriff more... you're one of them.

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@silent_thunder

I miss quite a few things in this new format for some reason.  It requires more focus.  Which I don't have in spades.

Thank you so much for your kind words.  Being kind to each other, even when confronting, always works out best.  The metaphor that comes to mind is a bunch of tangled spaghetti being smoothed out by gently boiling water in a big black pot.  Especially if there's about 1/2 tsp. of olive oil in the water.  Maybe I'm just hungry.

 Best to do nothing until the Way with Love reveals itself.  Anything can be said in kindness.   

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It is often clear when beginner mind is present even in the most intricate communication.

 

It is also often clear when pride has obscured this.

 

Often times it is a mix of hormones and momentum - some recover and some do not.

 

Im always reminded of the sirens calling out from the island to join them (in trance).

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@spotless The beginners mind is a very dangerous thing. When I began my journey a few months ago I was tempted many times to submit to pride and become a "demon" searching for clueless answers.

Whenever I was first starting, my heart was in the wrong place and so it would have been very easy for me to be misled by some secret/great practice spoken about by a trickster or another beginner online. Now, even though its only been a few months, I see the growth in ways not just spiritual. Sometimes the possibility that I am here now, doesn't make sense to me. But in a way it was a very odd series of events.

Firstly, my account on Daobums never got approved... While it remains to be a joke on my "bad" luck , I imagine that if my account was approved I wouldn't have ever developed the patience to slowly seek out my own answers and build a proper foundation. Secondly... There was the help of others who corrected me again and again.

I hope that one day, I can perform the second for others. To give corrections and guidance to the brave, maybe young, souls that enter this great challenge. But for now, I must practice, for the hope is that I do not mislead others and that I do not mislead myself.

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When I get into sheriff-mode I over post, get too clever, too cutesy and it rarely ends well.  I make enemies, things get cliquish.  Not that I don't fall into it but these days I'm trying not to. 

Worst of all, I don't leave my problems in the 'net.  Instead I spend time in the real world strategizing cleverness or fuming.

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@thelerner do you also then have to worry constantly about the whippersnappers that be, who're on the lookout to proudly sing "I shot the Sherriff?"

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Posted by: @thelerner

Worst of all, I don't leave my problems in the 'net.  Instead I spend time in the real world strategizing cleverness or fuming.

Don´t we all.

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This isn't so much a forum/online issue but more so a general one. Basically the people that say they are open minded but don't understand what it means to have an open mind nor do they practice it.

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I myself catch myself being guilty of this many times. Perhaps there is a phenomena, where the things that others do, that bother us the most, may also be related to the things we may do to bother ourselves.

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@mithras

The open mind comes from not judging at all, just like a beginner's mind.  At the beginning.  The Dao doesn't differentiate between good and bad.  

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@manitou @mithras

I resonate with this...and would like to add that usually the "closing up" happens after we "grow up". We let go of wonderment and joy as we become more enmeshed in the world. The spiritual journey is really a return back to our child-like state of mind.

The open mind comes from not judging at all, just like a beginner's mind.  At the beginning.  The Dao doesn't differentiate between good and bad.

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I find, after decades of experience, when I get into Sheriff mode, most often... the Sheriff shoots himself.

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My biggest spiritual pet peeve is that people on the path often stop using their brains. Get too caught up in "feeling stuff" be it energies, or just feeling good. In order to follow a teacher and learn stuff one has to use ones brain too, use common sense. It is especially crucial when examingning the teacher and the path. Is it legit? Or is it just someones' ego trip that I am getting caught in? Is it really crucial for my enlightenment to have sex with a teacher? And most probably, why do I do this? Is it just another "hobby" or some other way how to make myself look good, spiritual and clever? For me it is the latter I am afraid, but hey it works I look really good and etc. now. ? 

Anyway, while feeling can be a good indication, people who feel energies and auras just seem bit funny to me. I have noticed an interesting thing and that is that those people always mention that they feel energies. I am a vegan. 

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@miroku Actually it is perfectly normal to see auras and feel energies. It depends on the level of sensitivity and opening in the body. We are not physical beings trying to have an energetic experience, but rather are consciousness with energy bodies having a physical experience. But once the novelty of seeing auras and feeling energies fades away, the seeker must continue with their quest, until there is no need to seek anymore. 

I'm not sure how to react to the "sex with the teacher" part though. 

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@dwai Oh yes it is. I am not arguing against that. Many experiences arise and this extra sensory perception is something all of us have, we just might call it diferently and be diferently attuned to perceiving it. The problem is mostly when practitioners mistake these perceptions or hightened sensitivity to them as the goal of practice. At least in case of buddhism. It can be quite a long detour from the path. But might be just me.

That part was a poor choice and in poor taste. I apologize for writing it.

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Posted by: @miroku

he problem is mostly when practitioners mistake these perceptions or hightened sensitivity to them as the goal of practice. At least in case of buddhism. It can be quite a long detour from the path.

Ah yes! I agree 100%. Often people chase these milestones, and lose sight of the goal. 🙂  

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@dwai I agree as well. Just now recently I've realized that huh my life wouldn't really be different if I had a ton of siddhis, a dozen more years of life, or vast wealth/influence. I think I just want to be happy/complete and none of those things are really necessary/even helpful towards that.

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