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As part of being able to separate substantial and insubstantial, a great practice is what is called the Mother Meditation. The practice gains its name from the idea of a mother and child walking together. The mother leads the way and the child follows. How that applies in taiji meditation is as follows --

 

  • We start with manifesting a taiji ball between our two palms (like holding a beachball between our palms, in front of our chest for example). 
  • After manifesting a taiji ball, the ball needs to be split into two. Now instead of holding a beachball, we have two basketball sized taiji balls, one in each palm (or for beginners split from a single basketball sized taiji ball into two softball sized taiji balls).
  • Assign one ball the role of ‘Mother’ and the other ‘Child’. Now in a form like ‘long and short hand’,
  •  in even stance (not bow and arrow), let the Mother lead and the child follow.
  • From side to side it goes. If this is done correctly and the two balls are ‘talking’ to each other, the child ball (and therefore the hand attached to the child ball) will automatically start to follow the mother. After a few repetitions, reverse the roles of Mother and Child.
  • After getting a proper grasp of the above, reverse the roles now, so that the mother drives the child (and switching roles). So instead of the child following the mother, the mother will drive the child. 

This kind of practice is very important in order to be able to do martial techniques, but also to be able to clearly be able to tell the substantial (mother) from the insubstantial (child).

 

The two distinct phases of the practice, work on using the yang power to manifest the yin power.  When the power manifests in application on the insubstantial side, it generates empty force or mysterious force!

 

Later on, the rotate oar meditation forms are empowered using this very concept of mother meditation.

The following video demonstrates how mother meditation can be practiced in a two-person context.

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Barb Ortega
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First of all, you're adorable. ? 

What an incredible meditation.  I'm not involved in the MA at all and the qi ball response amazes me.  I LOVE the idea that you're creating emptiness and someone is falling into it.  I'm wondering if this, if held in the mind, would be an effective self defense for an older lady like myself; to somehow integrate it into presence, just for situational awareness.  I do have decent sit awareness due to my law enforcement background.

However, I do also take the DDJ seriously.  My expectation is that if one is in Consciousness, as the sage, nothing will happen to them.  I try to live as if this were the absolute certainty.  Call me stupid and naive.

But I can't get over that meditation.  I need to learn more about it, and the pulling of the qi.

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My expectation is that if one is in Consciousness, as the sage, nothing will happen to them.  I try to live as if this were the absolute certainty. Call me stupid and naive.

Au contraire, that is the pinnacle of Taijiquan mastery, as I've been told. Even if someone wants to pick a fight with the sage, their minds will get befuddled and they'll forget all about why they were getting mad and might even apologize for annoying the sage. 🙂 

 

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Au contraire, that is good to know.  I found the DDJ at a yard sale many years ago and fell in love with it.  Something inside me recognized it as a pure truth, and I really think it's the closest thing that a human being has to an Instruction Manual.  I think the reason the mind of the fighter would get befuddled is because the not-doing aspect coming from the sage would act as a mirror to the befuddled.  

I think there is an animal component to this as well, to not-do around animals, tame or wild.  To lower the vibratory aspect of the field between you and the animal seems to work, albeit sporadically.  Last week I got into a conversation with a mocking bird at the top of a telephone pole across the street.  He was the one up there, I wasn't.  But we were locked in eye contact for 2 or 3 minutes, and I was whistling back to him what he would utter.  It was an absolute splendid conversation, and if I don't say so myself, I'm a pretty good bird whistler.  It was an absolute back and forth, and there is no doubt in my mind that he enjoyed it.  I sure did.

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my 'au contraire' was to dispute your statement about calling you 'stupid and naive' 🙂 

I agree with you 100%. My Master tells me that sages develop their field of influence to be powerful enough that anyone who enters their field is automatically "under the influence" (of their presence). My Master is like that too...we usually know we've entered his 'field of presence' starting about 50-60 miles away from his home, progressively getting stronger and stronger. 

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LOL.  I understood your 'au contraire'.  I was just acting up.  Sorry, I still have an 8 year old inside that shouts out inane random things periodically. 

Wow.  50 to 60 miles?  That's incredible.  I heard mention about an old shaman in some book I read a while back.  The writer described it as 'wherever he went, things happened'.  As though just his presence was sufficient to set into motion the dynamics of change within others.

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In a sense my master is a shaman too. He was born into a family of Puerto Rican shamans and was trained to be one in his young age. 

And he’s like what you described as well — where ever he goes, stuff happens. He says his presence starts affecting the space, ‘negative’ energies get cleansed. 

I’ve not met someone with as much presence and loving compassion as him. I’ve met a few very famous and powerful masters. The one who was comparably powerful is Amma (whom my master likes very much and meets her every time she visits the Midwest).

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I see this as a type of wu-wei.  I know many would disagree with me.  I've noticed a big difference in how consciousness affects others.  If one walks into a room, in consciousness, and 'does-nothing' to promote a dialogue one way or another, the Listening is the thing.  To let the conversations bounce around and settle on a dynamic.  To stay in a state of disengagement until required to do so by a direct question.  By not volunteering comment or answers, the speaker stays within their own dynamic and is led to a mirror of sorts.  Answers are discovered within.  Kind of magic how this happens.

I've taken in a roomer.  His life is disorganized and scattered - and he's way too old to have it that way.  Since December, I have been wu-wei-ing this relationship and it makes it as gentle as a breeze.  This man is growing spiritually in leaps and bounds - and although he has no particular path, only introspection - his grasp of abstract concepts blows my mind.  It's as though this meet-up were part of a greater plan.  As is everything, apparently. (Actually, my cut on that is that it's already happened, seeing as Linear Time isn't really a thing.)

When there is something he does around the house which is different than how I would do it, a little voice comes to me and says "Do nothing."  I can't tell you how wonderfully this is working out.  The only intent I have is that we have a pleasant co-existence.

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Hello Dwai and others who may want to chip in. I found the video you posted fascinating regarding the use of an energy ball to effect push hands. I practice Hsing I and know the forms etc more from a mechanical/physical aspect, I'd love to put some energy into them.

My question is would learning condensed breathing from the temple style transfer into other internal arts. I saw this course and would like to ask someone with experience of its methods...many thanks...any other comments about how to train this in more than welcome...

I don't think I can add link from course but its condensed breathing hosted by taichitao.tv...

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@andyzzz in order to use energetics more, we have to practice in that way. Condensing breathing is an advanced practice and should not be undertaken without adequate preparatory work. I would say focus on sung and ting and develop it sufficiently before going down the condensing breathing path.

A taiji brother of mine is also a hsing-yi practitioner, and he is able to apply taiji "power" in his hsing-yi. We have experimented with him applying a specific "jin" from hsing-yi and then replicating the same effect using taiji method. We found hsing-yi power to be quite potent, though it comes across as depleting (in terms of the amount of effort required), while taiji application of similar jin is subtle, mysterious, and powerful, with a fraction of the effort. 

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Thanks Dwai I understand what you say that without foundations then things don't work as they should. In my Hsing I we work with ground path and redirecting forces in a very physical but subtle way this can sometimes look mysterious but it is not  so maybe some sung and ting in there. In the standing practice we do im certainly very aware of energy flows in the body and palms. It just looks like you have an effective method that allows you to work with this and id like to find a way to explore.

Interesting that another Hsing I practitioner has had some success with this. I think some schools utilise this way and others can be dismissive of such things. 

all the best

 

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